I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. No OTHER reason. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. That they did not test the outside of the car? I actually do not know what really happened. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. (Appendix 3). Are you still taking comments by email? And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. Where to begin? I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . Nobody near to help. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. There is so much to say about this blog I wouldnt know where to start. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. why didn't steve downs get custody. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. It isnt there all the time. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. They examined her clothes also. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. No way. Its a rather large part of the story. So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. It was the story of Diane Downs. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. No excuse there. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Lets not take that lightly. So appropriate! As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. May be the guy who says he did it. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. How.. they attacked him. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. I recently found your website and have enjoyed it a lot. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. Is it too late to respond to this? A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Another conflict of interest. The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. So move on. I say these things if I were on the jury. why didn't steve downs get custody. They never tried to reunite them with family. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. No. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). Anyways. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. In reply to Nick. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Its tiresome. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? Ask them what they did to a good man. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. Nobody knows but her. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Wasnt he the stranger? In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? Except for Paul Cortez. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? Robert Schlosser, Cathy's father, lives in a 900 . We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Something that would never stand in court now. Thanks for the link. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. 1. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. I am just curious. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. But I know that there were major problems with this case. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. Weve become friends. Did u learn nothing?? ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! She said She did it. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. I agree. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. How interesting. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. Mission accomplished: Relevance? Mind: Wrongful convicted. I wish she could get a new look. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . After giving birth to . 3. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. Oh my. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. It was a dark and rural road. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Thanks for posting for readers. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. That doesnt make it true. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation It goes on and on. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. The woman shot her children. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. That makes no sense. Everyone deserves peace. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. I was always really bothered by that. The whole case is crazy. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Shes guilty. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. I did not shoot my children.. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. This is not my scenario Tasha. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. 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